Comments on: What Samuel Lee Taught – Part 2 http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/#comment-16041 Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:18:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8592#comment-16041 While it is true that Shepherd Brian is dead, the reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated… :)

]]> By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/#comment-16039 Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:53:59 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8592#comment-16039 I guess you soon get used to stuff, since I even received credit for Brian’s “demise.” :D

]]> By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/#comment-16037 Tue, 09 Dec 2014 16:08:17 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8592#comment-16037 yes, the fact that someone believes (simply) in God means that God is in them in with them is our true power source and our true freedom. This allows us to appreciate those with real problems who don’t fit into the mold (ie 99% of people) and value their faith. This gives me peace that is unspeakable!

Sorry Dr. Ben, in my messages I’m going to start talking about how God is not a vending machine–giving us blessing per 1:1 and reflection etc. It’s true but someone’s probly going to trace it back to you : )

]]> By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/#comment-15901 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:13:13 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8592#comment-15901 Exactly my thoughts Brian

]]> By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/#comment-15896 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:18:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8592#comment-15896 Yes, the typical ubfer will laugh nervously when they hear statements from parts of the bible in everyday language (1 John 4:18).

One of the odd things I noticed on my journey of recovery has been that the discovery that I had almost no idea about what the bible taught. Sure, I amassed over 15,000 hours of meditation and reading and writing about the bible. But such “bible study” using the ubf methods left me with only a superficial acquaintance with the text of the bible.

Although such familiarity has some value, I have found that I had no idea of how powerful Scripture can be. I study the bible at least 10 times more effectively now that I stopped using the ubf methods.

For example, it would behoove ubfers to stop and have some time to read 1 John without any ubf voices in their head.

“By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.” (1 John 4:13-21)

So yes, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom (Proverbs 1:7, Psalm 111:10). But are we not to mature onward to love? If we begin with fear of God, should we not end with love? Is not love the fulfillment of the Law of God? Should we remain slaves and soldiers of the Lord forever and never move onward to become His friends?

Proverbs 16:6 shows us a proper perspective about fear and love.

On a side note, I no longer espouse the asceticism I once did. I now enjoy the purity of soul that comes from removing the secular/sacred divide and the effervescent joy of the new wine that is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

]]> By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/#comment-15891 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:57:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8592#comment-15891 I was reading an account of a 4th Century Coptic ascetic. He said “I don’t fear God because I love him, and love casts out fear.” I told this to someone in UBF. They laughed “haha that logic is funny. We must fear and respect God.” I was deeply troubled for the spirit of such a man.

]]> By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/20/what-samuel-lee-taught-part-2/#comment-15880 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:03:30 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8592#comment-15880 today daily bread: esther 1
queen vashti bravely refused to parade her beauty before the extremely drunk king & nobles:)

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